2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. I like the comparison when Thanos changed the piece of scrap metal that got dropped on him into some type of large dark bats and when Doctor Strange did something similar to him he was expecting something worse and got butterflies. All Rights Reserved. The primary alternate reality that takes up part of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' plot is Earth-838. ), -No Ant man still? Could MCU Thanos with 4 stones beat Dr Strange with just time stone, without WIS/PIS? In fact, Avengers: Secret Wars title logo and color scheme seem to signal Doctor Dooms Secret Wars upgrade as God Emperor Doom. Strength and power are not the same thing. In terms of strength physical strength no, Dr. Strange is not stronger than Thanos. Thanos is literall Related: Doctor Strange's Role In Avengers: Endgame. Dr. Much like Thanos was likely too powerful, quick and or intelligent to let his hand be cut off, Thanos likely could have broken out of the spell. lol. Keep reading to find out. and Strange responds "If I tell you, it won't happen" (I'm paraphrasing here, these might not be their exact quotes), but we can infer that means that Strange thinks he's still on track with his vision (If we were already off track he could just say "No this different already but it doesn't mean its impossible to win" or something like that). The Time Stone, one of the six Infinity Stones, is perhaps the easiest and most succinct method; the wielder of the Time Stone can even move objects forwards and backwards through time. I hardly doubt they will beat or undo his actions simply by physical force. Existence of the TVA absolutely ruins this scene for me because it doesn't matter how many outcomes they lose, the TVA were always waiting in the wings to step in and prune the timeline should they fail. Free creative use of the stones' implied abilities UNRESTRICTED by what was shown on-screen (within reason/logics). The route the story goes into leaves us with thanos defeated, the worlds revived, the stones and the temptation they bring for power hungry monsters gone, and our heroes alive (most of them). Strange has to ensure the BEST possible outcome that includes killing thanos with as little casualities. The pair bicker throughout the entire movie, but we're just supposed to believe that the Master of Mystical Arts wants to save Tony that desperately? I think he had the sling ring. And also, it's unknown how far into the future Strange peered, as the Emergence was ready around one year after the events of Endgame, meaning he would've had to have looked pretty far into each future. My though would be maybe its a bad idea having all of the stones except one on a desolate planet with 2 narcissists who have proven in the past not capable of respecting the consequences of using infinity stones(and one of them seems to do it again in the next Spider-Man). He had no way of breaking out of a time loop. This exposed him to new plans and ways to combat Thanos, hinting that there may have been solutions present that didn't require Doctor Strange's plan in the MCU. I wasnt paying attention for that specifically the first time. Avengers: Mech Strike #4 ends with a dead Thanos and a team out of options - eerily similar to the beginning of Avengers: Endgame. Only Star Lord was willing sacrifice a loved one to save the universe and for that he gained Thanos respect. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone ( no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. For the same reason he didn't just cut Thanos' hand off or his head like they did the other guy. RELATED:Avengers: Endgame Toy Offers Clear Look at Iron Man's Quantum Armor. Thanos with 4 stones should have no problems breaking free even if strange somehow succeeds in casting a spell when he failed doing so against Maw. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Dimension rulerDormammu by trapping him in a neverending time loop, dying over and over until the demon agreed to his bargain and left Earth alone. If even one person is standing a few feet away from where they need to be they could be killed, injured, or too slow to help out another. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. RELATED: Doctor Strange Is Undoubtedly the MCUs Best Babysitter. grave and saved an incalculable amount of lives. While there may have been other means, the cost to the heroes (and the world as a whole) would have been too great for the Avengers to take. Honestly, we aren't even surprised because Doctor Strange has and always will be an absolute mastermind. Looking back at this scene, it appears that Thanos was well on his way to replicating what he did in the prime MCU as he fought the Illuminati on Titan. RELATED:Thanos Action Figure May Reveal His Updated Avengers: Endgame Armor. Is this the one?" :) This guy does fake pitch meetings for movies and has about 10 of them devoted to MarvelDoctor Strange Pitch Meeting. Not a victory. Accessing the Book of Vishanti in Earth-616's universe may have not been possible at the time ofAvengers: Infinity War, or was only an option due to the Illuminati's specific members being around in Earth-838's realm. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. or does he go into a "void" so to speak only to re-emerge later when the hulk snaps everyone back? There are practically infinite possibilities and who's to say that there aren't more but he just didn't look past that first one. Are these dimensions part of the same universe though? Indeed, Dormammu was from the Dark Dimension, an alternate world that is removed from any conventional understanding of time. Awesome, do me a favor and check another 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 just to be sure. Or thanos would have been defeated but then our heroes would have died in the process to do it and thus earth is once again defenesless. Their leader Ajak may not have been inspired by Tony Stark's sacrifice and had the realization that Earth is worth saving. Throughout Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, various characters note with some anger that Strange's only way to beat Thanos resulted in untold pain Ya, Ive seen one theory saying the power stone over-rules the other stones. His best shot would be with the reality stone, but I felt the reality he projected were more of an illusion than actual reality-wraping (otherwise he could re-shape the whole universe with just that one stone instead of having to collect all six), while illusions would work on almost everyone on avengers, being a master of mystic art, Strange MIGHT be able to see through it, especially if he had prep/forseen it. You'll catch on eventually you practically answered why Strange could use that in the dark dimension and not on earth for example. Are you willing to sacrifice others in order bring about the greater good. It takes the power of all three stones to create the laws of physics as we know them, independently they lack the qualities of the other. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Doctor Strange uses the Time Stone to view over 14 million alternate futures to determine the outcome of their battle but is unsettled to see only one of them showing the Avengers victorious. Almost all of the heros have made major self sacrifices in order to save others in the past. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. So, if the non-time stones are independent of time, then they could theoretically be able to act outside of normal time and perhaps their combined power lacking time could give their user their independence from time. He used it to look at all possible futures and saw that the only way to beat Thanos required him to give Thanos By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I think you're expecting too much from fantasy. Like in the MCU, the ultimate resolution came down to a plan by Doctor Strange -- albeit one that had far worse consequences. Allowing him to sense the passage, even within a loop, was key to wearing down his defenses(and rounding out Doctor Strange'sexploration of the fear of death). However very few of them were willing to sacrifice others for the greater good. Doctor Strange in the MCU timeline is shown to defeat his opponents through magic and intelligent work. Self sacrifice is the essence of what makes a hero a hero in our culture. Physically, absolutely not. Power wise, so long as Thanos doesnt have the Infinity Gauntlet / any Infinity Stones, yes. It's pointed out that if Doctor Strange knew about the Celestial inside Earth, then surely he would've gotten involved in the Eternals' plan to ensure that it worked. The trio run into more than half of the Guardians of the Galaxy, including Star-Lord (Chris Pratt), Mantis (Pom Klementieff), Drax (Dave Bautista), and Nebula (Karen Gillan). None of that contradicts what the OP said though A question I always wondered is were all these possibilities as a result of them landing on Titan? The Quantum Realm has repeatedly been referred to as playing an important role in Endgame, and no surviving character knows the microscopic dimension better than Scott Lang. If it were any other opponent, Thanos would obliterate them in secondsbut this is Kang, and Kang is master of seconds, days, years and more. The Mad Titan could avoid this risk entirely, or it could spell out his final fate as part of Strange's larger plan. Otherwise any number of other people present when he has the stones uses them or seeks them out or becomes a bigger threat. In the prime MCU, Strange gave the Time Stone to Thanos after the Mad Titan stabbed Tony Stark, only leaving the villain one Infinity Stone short of completing the set as he left Strange, Stark, Spider-Man, and four of the Guardians of the Galaxy on Titan. In the prime MCU, Strange gave the Time Stone to Thanos after the Mad Titan stabbed Tony Stark, only leaving the villain one Infinity Stone short of completing the set as he left Strange, Stark, Spider-Man, and four of the Guardians of the Galaxy on Titan. This hints at the true cost of Doctor Strange subverting his plans from Infinity War and Endgame. @doomstoaa: I'll ask again confirmed where? RELATED:Avengers: Endgame LEGO Set Reveals a Massive Upgrade for War Machine. New Rumor Reveals Ben Affleck's Batman Involvement In James Gunn's DCU, Warner Bros. Unveils New Superman Movie Collection Amid DC Reboot, Robert Pattinsons The Batman 2 Gains Unsurprising Cast Member, Michael B. Jordan Shares Blunt Response to Black Superman Casting Rumors, Loki Season 2 Gets Release Date Update (Report), The Flash Movie Synopsis References Henry Cavill's Superman. A similar decision was taken by Stephen who can see into the multiverse when he handed Thanos the Time Stone, which seemed ridiculous at first but was necessary to save his reality. The turning tide will likely come from the most unlikely source and, with Scott Lang alive and well, the smallest Avenger may ultimately make the biggest impact. It's logical to assume, however horrifying the implications, that Strange can use the Time Stone to force people to undergo this effect as well. Strange wasn't after stopping Thanos. Now, the iconic villain returns in a new way during Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, showing how Avengers: Endgame could have gone a different way with the Grimace look-alike. Marvel/DC. The examples can be seen of him going against Dormammu and Thanos. And he also didn't have his sling ring or else they could've regrouped on earth after they landed on titan. This came after this universe's Doctor Strange used the Darkhold to Dream Walk across the Multiverse and use a plan different from the one the prime Strange used in Infinity War, in which Thanos won and killed half of humanity for five years. But it's clear that while other options might have been available in certain circumstances, Strange responded the best he could to the threat of Thanos in the MCU timeline. All of that leads to one big question, however - what happened in all of those alternate futures that Doctor Strange saw in Avengers: Infinity War? What i'm curious about is why strange didnt use the time stone from the past to restore his own so that future threats like dormmamu wont be a problem. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. In infinity war , he went toe to toe with Thanos who had 4 infin Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. Fantastic, and Doctor Strange stopped Thanos from completing the Infinity Gauntlet and wiping out half of all life. WebCan Thanos beat Captain America? Why is Doctor Strange able to go toe-to-toe with Thanos? I see the other answers are focusing mostly on the fact that Doctor Strange used the Tim Based on feats and logic Strange wins all rounds via time stop. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! Strange's ultimate decision resulted in the deaths of Iron Man, Black Widow and the Vision -- resulting in the Scarlet Witch's fury with Doctor Strange. It's a worse version of seeing the future and then picking a path bc he's actively in combat where high pressure can mess things up. I think that's one of the reason why Doctor Strange did not used the Time stone during the infinity war. This would ultimately lead to Earth-616's Avengers embarking on atime heist, restoring all life throughout the universe, and reducing Thanos' army with the snap of Iron Man's nano gauntlet inAvengers: Endgame. Its a very stringent criteria for a victory. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is now playing in theaters worldwide. Fantastic, and Doctor Strange, Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir, the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need, because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life, Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos, Iron Man: Disney Releases Never-Before-Seen Post-Credits Clip Online, Mario MOVIE Director Confirms Princess Peach's Role Reversal. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. So it appearsthat Doctor Strange wanted the Snap to occur, although some fans have taken the theory even further. Thats the way he got Peter to pop out of different portals while fighting Thanos as well as Mantis dropping down on his head. In the fight Thanos would have wanted Strange to attempt to use the time stone so that he can see the stone and take it. Redditor Thomascgalvin suggests that, while viewing the alternate futures, Strange came to the realization that Thanos' use of the Infinity Gauntlet's full power was a one-time only feat. Despite being vital in how they beat Thanos, Strange still surrendered himself to his allies because of his crime and didn't even resist when Black Bolt executed him. You can follow him on Twitter @samstoneshow and ask him about Nintendo, pop punk, and Star Trek. He didn't show up to the first fight anyways, don't know if he would be there for this newer hypothetical fight. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Now, Thanos has been seen in various projects sinceEndgame,albeit through nods like the connection to his brother Eros in Eternals or potential tiesto the Guardians of the Galaxy in Thor: Love and Thunder. Strange wins. The only reason for that is he has the Infinity Stones. 8 Doctor Doom. I don't think Strange can traverse universe that easily, or that he could do it at all. He once asked Tom Cruise about his supposedly fake-butt in Valkyrie (he swore it was all real). With Doctor Strange peering into over 14 million possible futures, one fan theory suggests he foresaw a key event from Eternals: the emergence. At first, it appears that Doctor Strange gives the Time Stone to Thanos in exchange for Tony's life. Doctor Strange In the Multiverse Of Madness, who continues to make his presence felt through Phase 4, like the connection to his brother Eros in, Professor X, Captain Carter, Maria Rambeau, Black Bolt, Mr. Thanos had to win. After all, to truly beat him required first havinghim win. Admittedly, there is a lot of debate over what exactlyDoctor Strange was doing in Infinity War - after seeing 14,000,605 futures, he decided to give Thanos the Time Stone, enabling him to ultimately kill half the universe - but this one aspect seems a cut-and-dry oversight. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. "Oh, we win in 1 of 14,000,000 scenarios? In a random encounter, the answer is obvious. Doctor Strange would utterly wreck Thanos with his powers. Doctor Strange at regular levels can even He does go through some measure of self sacrifice to achieve his goals but his main thing is that other people have to be sacrificed to save everyone else. When Strange reversed time in the final fight of his movie, Kaecellius and his followers broke out of the spell within few moments. , Honestly revealing it at all is too risky he could just snap and suddenly the eye is bubbles and strange can't harness the power and then he can just walk through them either way and get it, On top of that there's nothing honestly stopping him from sending strange to the dead of space or turning him into bubbles and he an do that just as fast or faster than strangest time magic. How did the Illuminati of Earth-838 Beat Thanos In Doctor Str He covers breakouts on comics, film, television, video games, and anime. Can Thanos clears all three rounds and how? Thanos should still win, although he'd have to try much harder. In his spare time, Ben is usually watching movies, playing games and running D&D games for friends (and hopes to one day actually be a player). Round 2: Doctor Strange with time stone (with prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, time loop already activated. The Illuminati Is All but Confirmed for 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness', Marvel's New Trailer for 'Doctor Strange 2' Has Fans Wondering if Wanda is the Villain, 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' Will Be the Scariest MCU Movie Yet. WebDoctor Strange did indeed use the Time Stone to beat Thanos. It's true that Doctor Strange looked into more than 14,000,605 different futures "to see all possibly outcomes of the coming conflict" but evidently there were still some futures he did not see. So, even if the reality stone or space stone could be used in ways to counteract the time stone, Thanos himself would need adequate time for his body to actually respond to the stimulus, which he wouldn't be able to do with time stopped/slowed significantly. 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